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ทักษิณและ Liverpool, view point from English newspaper


   เป็นแค่ opinion แต่น่าสนใจในหลายแง่มุม

จาก Daily Telegraph UK
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Liverpool deal under fire
By Sam Wallace (Filed: 11/05/2004)

Liverpool chairman David Moores came under pressure yesterday from human rights groups and supporters not to accept a £77 million investment from Thailand Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, whose government stand accused of summary killings and the execution of Muslim activists.

Rick Parry: involved in talks with Thaksin Shinawatra
The surprise move by Moores to reduce his 51 per cent shareholding has been organised by chief executive Rick Parry, but as details of Shinawatra" regime emerged yesterday the plan came under attack.

Under Liverpool" constitution, Moores has been permitted, as the club" major shareholder, to issue new shares to sell to Shinawatra. It means that although the Liverpool chairman" personal holding shrinks to between 35 and 40 percent his alliance with the Thailand Prime Minister, who now holds just less than 30 per cent, means Moores" grip on power is stronger than ever.

The deal is expected to give Shinawatra marketing rights for Liverpool in the Far East and he is also understood to be in talks to set up a Thai football academy that will have official links with Anfield and is aimed at boosting the Prime Minister"s flagging popularity.

But Shinawatra, who is making the investment personally, has been accused by leading human rights groups Amnesty International of operating a government who have been responsible for 2,245 deaths in a drugs crackdown last year and the killing of 107 Muslims last month.

Neil Durkin, an Amnesty spokesman, said: "Thailand"s human rights record has been a particular concern recently following a government-led "drugs war" that has seen several thousand drugs suspects killed by law enforcement officers.

"In one three-month period alone last year, a staggering 2,245 people were killed according to official statistics. We have called on the Thai government to allow independent investigations into this worrying wave of killings."

In a recent editorial in the Liverpool fanzine Through the Wind and the Rain, editor Steven Kelly said: "We should have distanced ourselves from this guy from day one. If we had an ounce of humanity we should have said "No" immediately."

Yesterday Kelly said: "He [Shinawatra] doesn"t look like the kind of character you should be doing business with. There is going to be controversy about it. It"s dragging morality down when the majority of people say "As long as the team is good, I don"t care"."

Shinawatra, 54, a former policeman, is understood to be the richest man in Thailand after making a personal fortune from the telecoms business and, as a fan of Premiership football, has attempted to buy into Fulham and Manchester United in the past.

The Thai Prime Minister is understood to have met with Parry for an hour in Government House in Bangkok yesterday to finalise the deal which is expected to help Liverpool improve the team and finance their new £80 million stadium.

The issue of taking on debt to finance the new stadium proved divisive at the club"s AGM in January when the club"s third-biggest shareholder, Steve Morgan, clashed with Moores over the Liverpool chairman"s refusal to sell any more of his shares.

Shinawatra"s spokesman Chakrapot Penkai told BBC Radio Four"s Today programme that although the Thailand Prime Minister would be using his own wealth to buy the stake in Liverpool, the association with such a prestigious football club would be of benefit to the whole nation.

"Thailand thinks that the Liverpool team can enhance the standard of the sport"s development in Thailand a great deal," Penkai said. "Why does the Prime Minister want to invest in Liverpool? Because it is the era of the brand name, with a good quality brand name you can do many things. Liverpool"s name is a world-class name - people attach their fantasies, their liking for sports, their enhancement in life, their self-development, along with this kind of team."

But Liverpool"s support, drawn from a city that is traditionally left-wing and unionised, are unlikely to welcome a benefactor whose government has been responsible for a brutal "shoot-to-kill" policy in their drugs war.

The "extra-judicial" killings, carried out between February and April last year, were widely condemned by human rights groups, but Shinawatra has so far resisted calls for an investigation. He recently promoted his cousin General Chaiyasit Shinawatra from an obscure provincial post to be the army"s commander-in-chief.

The Shinawatra regime came under further scrutiny last month when 107 young men belonging to Islamic groups were killed in the Yala, Pattani and Songkhla provinces in southern Thailand. Government security forces are also understood to have attacked worshippers in the Kruesie mosque.

Shinawatra has been compared to Italy"s right-wing Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, the owner of AC Milan, for his dominance of the media and populist tendencies since he came to power in 2001. Before winning the election with his Thai Rak Thai party - "Thais Love Thais" - he was acquitted of charges of concealing financial assets that would have seen him banned from political office.

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Posted by : Phoenix , Date : 2004-05-11 , Time : 20:29:36 , From IP : 172.29.3.230

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   คุณภาพของ นสพ.อังกฤษ ก็ไม่ได้ guarantee bias-free ในยุคที่รัฐบาลอังกฤษเป็น allies กับอเมริกาและบุกอิรัก นสพ.หลายฉบับ "คิดว่า" ข่าวอะไรที่มีคนโจมตีจะฟังดูน่าสนใจสำหรับ anti-establishment (ซึ่งขายดีกว่าข่าว pro-government มาก) จะเห็นได้ว่าผู้ก่อการร้ายที่ถือมีดไล่ฟันบุกสถานีตำรวจถูกรายงานว่าเป็นเพียง "young muslim" ซึ่งผมว่ารังแต่จะ exaggerate สถานการณ์ และ mislead คนอ่านหนังสือพิมพ์ให้ภาพพจน์เมืองไทยแย่



Posted by : Phoenix , Date : 2004-05-11 , Time : 20:34:52 , From IP : 172.29.3.230

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   .....ผมว่าบางทีสื่อในบ้านเรายังเชื่อถือยากเลย......เราอาจจะคิดว่าสื่อในไทยเสรีพอที่จะเขียนอะไรก็ได้ที่ขายได้....แต่ผมยังไม่ค่อยเชื่อเท่าไรนัก....เพราะผมยังคิดว่าสื่อในบ้านเรายังไม่สามารถที่จะเขียน"ทุกอย่าง"ที่อยากเขียนได้นะเอง.....เพราะแบบนี้แล้ว....เวลาเกิดข่าวอะไรใหญ่ๆขึ้น.....ถ้าควบคุมสถานการณ์ได้ดีพอ.....สื่อก็สามารถที่จะถูกควบคุมได้ครับ....เดี๋ยวนี้ผมอ่านหนังสือพิมพ์เอาสนุกครับ....ไม่เชื่อถือสักเล่มเลยครับ....:D...:D



Posted by : Death , Date : 2004-05-11 , Time : 22:56:39 , From IP : 202.133.141.40

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   อ๋อ สรุปว่ากระทู้นี้มาวิเคราะห์ถึงความน่าเชื่อถือของหนังสือพิมพ์ ไม่ได้เกี่ยวกับทักษิณซื้อหุ้นเลย เหอ ๆๆๆ

Posted by : DogTor , Date : 2004-05-13 , Time : 10:36:25 , From IP : 203.156.42.181

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   another view point for this matter.

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For the Kop"s sake, just say no to Shinawatra
By Henry Winter Football Correspondent (Filed: 13/05/2004)

Liverpool are a great football club, respected for their deep roots in the local community as well as their rich trophy-peppered history. Walk in through Anfield"s front door, see all the former luminaries invited back or working there, and feel the soul of a special club.

Inexplicably and embarrassingly, Liverpool"s board now consider selling their soul for the £70 million offered by an ambitious Bangkok politician last seen wearing a Manchester United scarf.

Followers of other, less altruistic clubs have always envied Liverpool the caring, guiding hand of genuine fans in the boardroom. Principled individuals like the chairman, David Moores, and paid employees like Rick Parry, who quit looking after 20 clubs at the Premier League to become chief executive of the one he loved.

If Moores and Parry have the Kop"s best interests at heart, which they surely do, they must resist the overtures of Thaksin Shinawatra, the Prime Minister of Thailand. Just say no.

The Shinawatra deal represents a host of issues alien to the spirit of Liverpool Football Club. Anfield"s ethos is more Sinatra than Shinawatra, committed to doing it their way, not marching to the tune of a far-off paymaster driven only by commercial and political interests.

Moores and Parry risk sacrificing Liverpool"s credibility simply for a fistful of bahts. The fact that part of Shinawatra"s £70 million derives from his nation"s public purse will inevitably associate Liverpool with the rights and wrongs of the Thailand government.

The club of Shankly and Paisley, Fagan, Dalglish and Houllier have traditionally been acknowledged as a human and conscientious football institution, celebrating local pride and proper values, not climbing into bed with an administration regularly censured by Amnesty International.

Barring the shame of Heysel, Liverpool"s distinguished place in English history is secure but this Thai link-up can bring only damage to a reputation forged over 112 years. Besides, Liverpool possess the commercial expertise to develop their brand in the Far East without recourse to a Thai politician who can hardly name more than two Liverpool players.

Shinawatra"s spokesman intimated yesterday that the Thais would look at another Premiership club if Liverpool rejected their advances. How passionate are they about Liverpool then?

That just confirmed suspicions that Bangkok"s motives in wooing Liverpool was financial not emotional, that Shinawatra never lay in bed as a child dreaming of pulling on the fabled No 7 shirt of Liverpool and running out to the Kop"s salute.

Moores and Parry need look only at the team to realise that foreign exotica is not always best. Liverpool"s heart is home-grown not transplanted, beating most strongly through Steven Gerrard, Michael Owen, Jamie Carragher, Danny Murphy and, that honorary Englishman, Didi Hamann. They represent all that is good about the Liverpool team; Bruno Cheyrou and El-Hadji Diouf, brought in from foreign climes, symbolise the squad"s weaknesses.

Moores and Parry, like Houllier, should build for the future on and off the field using local talent. A wealthy Garston-born fan, Steve Morgan, yesterday outlined his offer of £73 million for the club. Morgan and Moores have rarely seen eye to eye but Morgan.s proposition must be considered.

At least everyone appreciates Morgan is a real Liverpool supporter, not a foreign ruler who does not know his Heskeys from his Heighways. A proud football club must keep their roots in the North-West, not in the Far East.
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ที่ผมสนใจอีกอย่างหนึ่งคือ ตกลงทักษิณจะซื้อหรือว่ารัฐบาลไทยจะซื้อ? การตีความจากข่าวของหนังสือพิพม์ไทย ดูเหมือนทักษิณจะแก้ตัวเรื่องที่รับรองและคุยสัญญาเรื่องซื้อขายสโมสรที่เป็นเรื่องส่วนตัวในทำเนียบรัฐบาล แต่แก้ตัวว่าจริงๆเป็นสโมสรของประเทศ !!! ข่าวตอนนี้มืดมนและมั่วยังไงชอบกล สงสัยยังตัดสินใจไม่ได้ว่าจะโบ้ยทางไหนดี และด้วยความ naive เลยออกมาเละเหมือนทุกครั้งที่ต้องแก้ตัวเฉียบพลันโดยไม่ได้เตรียมตัวให้ดีมาก่อน



Posted by : Phoenix , Date : 2004-05-13 , Time : 23:06:27 , From IP : 172.29.3.207

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   ประเทศไทยตอนนี้โดนโจมตีทางด้านข่าวอย่างหนัก แม้ว่าจะได้หุ้นลิเวอร์พุลหรือไม่ก็ตาม ทักษิณควรประกาศชัดเจนว่าซื้อหุ้นในนามของตัวเองไม่ใช่ประเทศไทย จะเอา OTOP ไปคู่กับ Owen ตาหลกหว่ะ

Posted by : DogTor , Date : 2004-05-14 , Time : 10:27:40 , From IP : 202.29.65.92

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   แค่คิดว่าทักษิณจะเอาโอเว่นมาโฆษณานำปลา หรือกะปิก็ขำแล้ว

Posted by : หนูหิ่น , Date : 2004-05-15 , Time : 04:27:05 , From IP : 172.29.1.216

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